A Conversation of St. Seraphim of Sarov with Nicholas Motovilov
Concerning the Aim of a Christian Life

by N. A. Motovilov

(translated by A. F. Dobbie-Bateman)

The following document is the record of a conversation between Saint Seraphim of Sarov (1759–1833) and his disciple Nikolai Aleksandrovich Motovilov—including Motovilov’s remarkable personal testimony of the Spiritual Blessing-Transmission He directly experienced in Saint Seraphim’s company. The event took place in November 1831, and the record of it was written down immediately afterwards by Motovilov himself.

It was Thursday. The day was gloomy. Snow lay deep on the ground and snowflakes were falling thickly from the sky when Father Seraphim began his conversation with me in the plot near his hermitage over against the river Sarovka, on the hill which slopes down to the river-bank. He sat me on the stump of a tree which he had just felled, and himself squatted before me.

“The Lord has revealed to me,” began the great elder, “that in your childhood you longed to know the aim of our Christian life and continually asked questions about it of many and great ecclesiastical dignitaries.”

Let me here interpose that from the age of twelve this thought had ceaselessly vexed me, and I had, in fact, approached many clergy about it; but their answers had not satisfied me. This was not known to the elder.

“But no one,” continued Father Seraphim, “has given you a precise answer. They have said: ‘Go to church, pray to God, fulfill the commandments of God, do good; such is the aim of the Christian life.’ Some were even irritated against you as being occupied with irreverent curiosity and told you not to seek things higher than yourself. But they did not answer as they should have. And now poor Seraphim will explain to you in what really this aim consists. Prayer, fasting, watching, and all other Christian acts, however good they may be, do not alone constitute the aim of our Christian life, although they serve as the indispensable means of reaching this aim.

The true aim of our Christian life is to acquire the Holy Spirit of God. But mark, my son, only the good deed done for Christ’s sake brings us the fruits of the Holy Spirit. All that is not done for His sake, though it be good, brings neither reward in the life to come nor in our life here the grace of God. Wherefore our Lord Jesus Christ has said: He that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. Not that a good deed can be called anything but ‘gathering,’ since even though it be not done for Christ’s sake, yet it is good. The Scripture says: In every nation he that feareth God and worketh righteousness is so pleasing to God that the Angel of the Lord appeared at the hour of prayer to Cornelius, the God-fearing and righteous centurion, and said: ‘Go to Joppa to Simon the tanner; there shalt thou find Peter and he will tell thee the words of everlasting life, whereby thou shalt be saved and all thy house.’

“Thus the Lord uses all His Divine means to give such a man for his good works the opportunity not to lose his reward in the future life. But to this end we must begin here by a right faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who came into the world to save sinners, and by winning for ourselves the grace of the Holy Spirit, who brings into our hearts the Kingdom of God and lays for us the path to win the blessings of the future life. The acceptability to God of good deeds not done for Christ’s sake is limited to this, that the Creator gives the means to make them effective; it rests with man to make them effective or not.

Wherefore the Lord said to the Hebrews: ‘If ye had not seen, ye would have had no sin; but now ye say, we see, and your sin remaineth with you.’ A man like Cornelius finds favor with God for his deeds, though done not for the sake of Christ; let him then but believe in the Son of God and all his works will be accounted as done for Christ’s sake just for faith in Him. But in the opposite event a man has no right to complain that his good has had no effect. It never does, unless the good deed be done for Christ’s sake, since good done for Him both claims in the life of the world to come a crown of righteousness and in this present life fills men with the grace of the Holy Spirit; as it is said: ‘Not by measure doth God give the Holy Spirit; the Father loveth the Son and giveth all things into His hands.’

“So it is, my little lordling of God! In acquiring this Spirit of God consists the true aim of our Christian life, while prayer, watching, fasting, almsgiving, and other good works done for Christ’s sake are only the means for acquiring the Spirit of God.”

“How do you mean acquire?” I asked Father Seraphim. “I do not somehow understand.”

“To acquire is the same as to gain,” he answered. “You understand what acquiring money means. Acquiring God’s Spirit, it’s all the same. You know well enough what it means in the worldly sense, my son, to acquire. The aim in life of ordinary people is to acquire or make money, and for the nobility it is in addition to receive honors, distinctions and other rewards for their services to the government. The acquisition of God’s Spirit is also capital, but grace-giving and eternal, and it is gained in very similar ways, almost the same ways as monetary, social, and temporal capital.

“God the Word, the God-Man, our Lord Jesus Christ, likens our life to a market, and the work of our life on earth He calls buying, and says to us all: ‘Buy till I come, redeeming the time, because the days are evil.’ That is to say, economize the time for receiving heavenly blessings through earthly goods. Earthly goods are virtuous acts performed for Christ’s sake and conferring on us the grace of the Holy Spirit, without whom there is not and cannot be any salvation; for it is written: ‘By the Holy Spirit is every soul quickened and by purity exalted, yea, is made bright by the Three in One in holy mystery.

The Holy Spirit itself enters our souls, and this entrance into our souls of Him the Almighty and this presence with our spirit of the Triune Majesty is only granted to us through our own assiduous acquisition of the Holy Spirit, which prepares in our soul and body a throne for the all-creative presence of God with our spirit according to His irrevocable word: I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

“Of course, every virtuous act done for Christ’s sake gives us the grace of the Holy Spirit, but most of all is this given through prayer; for prayer is somehow always in our hands as an instrument for acquiring the grace of the Spirit. You wish, for instance, to go to church and there is no church near or the service is over; or you wish to give to the poor and there is none by or you have nothing to give; you want to preserve your purity and there is not the strength in you to succeed because of your own constitution or because of the insistent snares of the enemy, which on account of your human weakness you cannot withstand; you wish to perform some other virtuous act for Christ’s sake and the strength or the opportunity is lacking.

This in no way affects prayer; prayer is always possible for everyone, rich and poor, noble and simple, strong and weak, healthy and suffering, righteous and sinful. Great is the power of prayer; most of all does it bring the Spirit of God and easiest of all is it to exercise. Truly, in prayer it is vouchsafed to us to converse with our Good and Life-giving God and Savior, but even here we must pray only until God the Holy Spirit descends on us in measures of His heavenly grace known to Him. When He comes to visit us, we must cease to pray. How can we pray to Him, ‘come and abide in us, cleanse us from all evil, and save our souls, O Gracious Lord, when He has already come to us to save us, who trust in Him and call on His holy name in truth, that humbly and with love we may receive Him, the Comforter, in the chamber of our souls, hungering and thirsting for His coming?”

“Yes, father, but what about other virtuous acts done for Christ’s sake in order to acquire the grace of the Holy Spirit? You speak of prayer alone.”

“Acquire, my son, the grace of the Holy Spirit by all the other virtues in Christ; trade in those that are most profitable to you. Accumulate the capital of the grace-giving abundance of God’s mercy. Deposit it in God’s eternal bank, which brings you unearthly interest, not four or six per cent, but one hundred per cent, for one spiritual shilling and even more, infinitely more. Thus, if prayer and watching give you more of God’s grace, pray and watch; if fasting gives much of God’s Spirit, fast; if almsgiving gives more, give alms. In such manner decide about every virtue in Christ.

“Trade thus spiritually in virtue. Distribute the gifts of the grace of the Holy Spirit to them that ask, as a candle, burning with earthly fire, lights other candles for the illumining of all in other places, but diminishes not its own light. If it be so with earthly fire, what shall we say about the fire of the grace of God’s Holy Spirit?”

“But, father,” said I, “you continue to dwell on the acquisition of the grace of the Holy Spirit as the aim of the Christian life. How and where can I see it? Good deeds are visible. Is the Holy Spirit then to be seen? How am I going to know whether He is with me or not?”

“At the present time,” the elder replied, “thanks to our almost universal indifference to the holy faith in our Lord Jesus Christ and thanks to our inattentiveness to the working of His Divine purpose in us and of the communion between man and God, we have come to this, that one might say we have almost entirely departed from the true Christian life. These words seem strange to us now that the Spirit of God spake by the lips of Moses: ‘And Adam saw the Lord walking in paradise’; or those words which we read in the Apostle Paul: ‘We went to Achaia and the Spirit of God came not with us, we returned to Macedonia and the Spirit of God came with us.’

More than once in other passages of Holy Scripture is told the story of God’s appearance to men. Some people say these passages are incomprehensible; could men really see God? But there is nothing incomprehensible here. This failure to understand comes about because we have wandered from the spacious vision of early Christians. Under the pretext of education we have reached such a darkness of ignorance that now to us seems inconceivable what the ancients saw so clearly that even in ordinary conversation the notion of God’s appearance did not seem strange to them.

Men saw God and the grace of His Holy Spirit, not in sleep or in a dream, or in the excitement of a disordered imagination, but truly, in the light of day. We have become very inattentive to the work of our salvation, whence it comes about that many other words also in the Holy Scriptures we do not take in the proper sense; and all because we do not seek the grace of God, because in the pride of our minds we do not allow it to enter our souls, and therefore we have no true enlightenment from the Lord, which is sent into the hearts of men, to all who hunger and thirst in heart for God’s truth.

“When our Lord Jesus Christ had accomplished the whole work of salvation, after His resurrection, He breathed on the Apostles to restore the breath of life which had been lost by Adam, and gave them that same grace of the Holy Spirit of God which had been Adam’s. On the day of Pentecost He triumphantly sent down on them the Holy Spirit in the rushing of a mighty wind like tongues of fire, which sat upon each one of them and entered in and filled them with the strength of Divine flame-like grace; whose breath is laden with dew, and it creates joy in the souls partaking of its power and influence.

And, when this same fire-inspired grace of the Holy Spirit is given to all the faithful in Christ in the sacrament of Holy Baptism, they seal it in the chief places appointed by the Holy Church on our flesh, as the eternal vessel of this grace. The words are: ‘The seal of the gift of the Holy Spirit.’  On what do we miserable creatures set our seal except on the vessels which preserve some precious treasure? But what can be higher and more precious in the world than the gifts of the Holy Spirit sent us from above in the sacrament of Baptism? For this baptismal grace is so great, so necessary, so life-giving for man, that it will never be taken away even from the heretic until his very death; that is, until the term which has been set by the Providence of God to man’s earthly trial—for what will he be of use and what will he accomplish in the time and with the grace given him by God?

If we were never to sin after our baptism, we should remain forever holy, spotless, exempt from all foulness of flesh and spirit, like the saints of God. But the trouble is that, though we increase in stature, we do not increase in the grace and mind of God, as our Lord Jesus Christ increased; but on the contrary, growing dissipated bit by bit, we are deprived of the grace of God’s Holy Spirit and become sinners of many degrees and many sins. But, when a man, stirred by the Divine Wisdom which seeks our salvation, is resolved for her sake to rise early before God and keep watch for the attainment of his eternal salvation, then must he in obedience to her voice hasten to repent truly of all his sins and to perfect the virtues that are their contrary, and thus by virtuous acts done for Christ’s sake to acquire the Holy Spirit, which works in us and sets up in us the kingdom of God.

Notwith-standing man’s repeated falls, notwithstanding the darkness around the soul, the grace of the Holy Spirit which is given at our baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit shines still in the heart with the Divine immemorial light of the precious merits of Christ. When the sinner turns to the way of repentance, this Christ-Light smooths out all trace of past sin and clothes the former sinner once more in a robe of incorruption woven from the grace of the Holy Spirit about the acquisition of which, as the aim of the Christian life, I have been speaking so long.

“Still more will I tell you, that you may the more clearly know what to understand by the grace of God, how to recognize it and how in particular its actions are revealed in those enlightened therewith. The grace of the Holy Spirit is the light which lighteneth man. The Lord has more than once revealed for many witnesses the working of the graces of the Holy Spirit in those whom He has sanctified and illumined by His great outpourings. Think of Moses after his talk with God on Mount Sinai. People were unable to look on him, with such unwonted radiance did he shine; he was even forced to appear before the people under a veil. Think of the Lord’s Transfiguration on Mount Tabor: His garments were glistering like snow and His disciples fell on their faces for fear. When Moses and Elias appeared to Him, then, in order to hide the effulgence of the light of God’s grace from blinding the eyes of the disciples, a cloud, it is written, overshadowed them. Thus the grace of God’s Holy Spirit appears in light inexpressible to all to whom God reveals its power.”

“How then,” I asked Father Seraphim, “am I to know that I am in the grace of the Holy Spirit?”

“It is very simple, my son,” he replied; “wherefore the Lord says: ‘All things are simple to them that get understanding.’ Being in that understanding, the Apostles always perceived whether the Spirit of God abided in them or not; and, being filled with understanding and seeing the presence of God’s Spirit with them, they affirmed that their work was holy and pleasing to God. By this is explained why they wrote in their epistles: ‘It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us.’ Only on these grounds did they offer their epistles as immutable truth for the good of all the faithful. Thus the Holy Apostles were consciously aware of the presence in themselves of God’s Spirit. And so you see, my son, how simple it is!”

I replied: “Nevertheless I do not understand how I can be firmly assured that I am in the Spirit of God. How can I myself recognize His true manifestation?”

Father Seraphim replied: “I have already told you, my son, that it is very simple and have in detail narrated to you how men dwell in the Spirit of God and how one must apprehend His appearance in us. What then do you need?”

“My need,” said I, “is to understand this well!”

Then Father Seraphim took me very firmly by the shoulders and said: “We are both together, son, in the Spirit of God! Why lookest thou not on me?”

I replied: “I cannot look, father, because lightning flashes from your eyes. Your face is brighter than the sun and my eyes ache in pain!”

Father Seraphim said: “Fear not, my son; you too have become as bright as I. You too are now in the fullness of God’s Spirit; otherwise you would not be able to look on me as I am.”

Then, bending his head towards me, he whispered softly in my ear: “Give thanks to the Lord God for His ineffable mercy! You have seen that I did not even cross myself; and only in my heart I prayed mentally to the Lord God and said within myself: ‘Lord, vouchsafe to him to see clearly with bodily eyes that descent of Thy Spirit which Thou vouchsafest to Thy servants, when Thou art pleased to appear in the light of Thy marvellous glory.’ And see, my son, the Lord has fulfilled in a trice the humble prayer of poor Seraphim. Surely we must give thanks to Him for this ineffable gift to us both! Not always, my son, even to the great hermits, does the Lord God show His mercy. See, the grace of God has come to comfort your contrite heart, as a loving mother, at the intercession of the Mother of God herself. Come, son, why do you not look me in the eyes? Just look and fear not! The Lord is with us!”

After these words I looked in his face and there came over me an even greater reverential awe. Imagine in the center of the sun, in the dazzling brilliance of his midday rays, the face of the man who talks with you. You see the movement of his lips and the changing expression of his eyes, you hear his voice, you feel someone grasp your shoulders; yet you do not see the hands, you do not even see yourself or his figure, but only a blinding light spreading several yards around and throwing a sparkling radiance across the snow blanket on the glade and into the snowflakes which besprinkled the great elder and me. Can one imagine the state in which I then found myself?

“How do you feel now?” Father Seraphim asked.

“Unwontedly well!” I said.

“But well in what way? How in particular?”

I answered: “I feel a calmness and peace in my soul that I cannot express in words!”

“This, my son,” said Father Seraphim, “is that peace of which the Lord said to His disciples: ‘My peace I give unto you; not as the world giveth, give I unto you. If ye were of the world, the world would love its own; but because I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. But be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.’ So to them that are hated of the world but chosen of the Lord, the Lord gives that peace which you now feel, the peace which, in the words of the Apostle, passeth all understanding. What else do you feel?” asked Father Seraphim.

“An unwonted sweetness!” I replied.

He continued: “This is that sweetness of which it is said in Holy Scripture: ‘They shall be satisfied with the plenteousness of Thy house, and Thou shalt give them drink of Thy sweetness as out of the river.’ See, this sweetness now overflows and pours through our veins with unspeakable delight. From this sweetness our hearts melt and we are filled with such blessedness as tongue cannot tell. What else do you feel?”

“An unwonted joy in all my heart!”

Father Seraphim continued: “When the Spirit of God descends to man and overshadows him with the fullness of His outpouring, then the human soul overflows with unspeakable joy, because the Spirit of God turns to joy all that He may touch. This is that joy of which the Lord speaks in His Gospel: ‘A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come; but when she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for the joy that a man is born into the world. In the world ye shall be sorrowful; but when I see you, your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no one taketh away from you.’

Yet however comforting may be this joy which you now feel in your heart, it is nothing in comparison with that in which the Lord Himself said by the mouth of His Apostle that this joy neither eye hath seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man the good things which God hath prepared for them that love Him. The earnest of that joy is given to us now, and, if from this there is sweetness, well-being and merriment in our souls, what shall we say of that joy which has been prepared in heaven for them that weep here on earth? You too, my son, have had tears enough in your life; see now with what joy the Lord consoles you while yet here! What else do you feel, my son?”

I answered: “An unwonted warmth!”

“But why warmth, my son? See, we sit in the forest, the winter is out and about, the snow is underfoot, there is more than an inch of snow on us and still the snowflakes fall. What warmth can there be?”

I answered: “Such as there is in the bath-house, when they pour the water on the stone and the steam rises in a cloud.”

“And the smell?” he asked me. “Is it the bath-house smell?”

“No!” I replied. “There is nothing on earth like this fragrance. When in my dear mother’s lifetime I was fond of dancing and used to go to balls and parties, my mother would sprinkle me with a scent which she had bought at the best fashion-shops in Kazan. But those scents did not give out such fragrance!”

Father Seraphim, smiling kindly, said: “My son, I know it just as you do, and I purposely ask you whether you feel it so. It is the very truth, my son! No pleasure of earthly fragrance can be compared with that which we now feel, for the fragrance of God’s Holy Spirit surrounds us. What earthly thing can be like it? Mark, my son! You have told me that around us it is warm as in the bath-house; but look, neither on you nor on me does the snow melt, and above us it is the same. Of course this warmth is not in the air but in us. It is that very warmth about which the Holy Spirit in the words of the prayer makes us cry out to the Lord: ‘Warm me with the warmth of Thy Holy Spirit!’ Warmed therewith the hermits have not feared the winter frost, being clad, as in warm coats, in the cloak of grace woven of the Holy Spirit.

So in very deed it must be, for the grace of God must dwell within us, in our heart, because the Lord said: ‘The Kingdom of God is within you.’ By the Kingdom of God the Lord meant the grace of the Holy Spirit. See, this Kingdom of God is now found within us. The grace of the Holy Spirit shines forth and warms us, and, overflowing with many and varied odors into the air around us, regales our senses with heavenly delight, as it fills our hearts with joy inexpressible.

Our present state is that of which the Apostle says: ‘The Kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but righteousness and peace in the Holy Spirit.’ Our faith consists not in persuasive words of human wisdom, but in the demonstration of the Spirit and of power. In this condition we now find ourselves together. Of this condition the Lord said: ‘There are some of them that stand here, which shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the Kingdom of God coming in power.’

Of such unspeakable joy, my son, the Lord God has now thought us worthy! This is what it means to be in the fullness of the Holy Spirit, about which St. Macarius of Egypt writes: ‘I too was in the fullness of the Holy Spirit.’ With this fullness of the Holy Spirit the Lord now has filled us to overflowing, poor as we are. Come now, there is no more need to ask, my son, how men may be in the grace of the Holy Spirit! Will you remember this manifestation of God’s ineffable mercy which has visited us?”

“I know not, father,” I said, “whether the Lord will grant me always to remember this mercy of God as vividly and clearly as now I feel it.”

“I think,” Father Seraphim answered me, “that the Lord will help you always to retain it in your memory, since otherwise His goodness would not have bowed so instantly to my humble prayer and would not so readily have anticipated hearkening to poor Seraphim; the more so that not for you alone is it given to understand this, but through you to the whole world in order that you yourself might be confirmed in God’s work and might be useful to others. The fact, my son, that I am a monk and you are a layman need not keep us. God requires a right faith in Himself and His Only-begotten Son. For this the grace of the Holy Spirit is given abundantly from above.

The Lord seeks a heart filled with love of God and neighbor: this is the throne whereon He loves to sit and whereon He appears in the fullness of His heavenly glory. ‘My son, give me thine heart,’ He says, ‘and all the rest I Myself will add unto you.’ For the Kingdom of God is in the human heart. The Lord is nigh unto them that call upon Him in truth, and there is in Him no respect of persons; for the Father loveth the Son and will give all things into His hands, if only we too love our Heavenly Father truly as sons. The Lord hears equally the monk and the simple Christian layman, so be they are both right believers, and both love God from the depth of their soul, and both have faith in Him, if only as a grain of mustard-seed; and they both shall move mountains. One shall move thousands and two shall move multitudes.

The Lord Himself says: ‘All things are possible to him that believeth.’ Father Paul the Apostle exclaims with his whole voice: ‘I can do all things in Christ who strengtheneth me.’ But surely more wonderfully even than this does our Lord Jesus Christ speak of them that believe in Him: ‘He that believeth on Me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto My Father and will pray to Him for you, that your joy may be fulfilled. Hitherto have ye asked nothing in My Name; ask and ye shall receive.’

Thus, my son, whatever you may ask of the Lord God, you will receive all, provided only that it were for the glory of God or the good of your neighbor; for He relates the good of a neighbor to His glory, wherefore He says: ‘All that ye have done unto one of the least of these, ye have done unto Me.’ Then have no doubt that the Lord God will fulfill your petitions, if only they are to God’s glory and the good and edification of your neighbors. But, even if something were necessary for your own need or good or profit, that too just as quickly and graciously will the Lord God send you, so be that extreme need and necessity insist. For the Lord loves them that love Him; the Lord is good to all men and will do the will of them that fear Him and will hear their prayer.”
 



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